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                    <text>Interviewee: Barry Goldensohn Years at Skidmore: 1981-2003
Interviewer: Lena Drinkard
Location of Interview: West 55th Street, NY, NY
Date of Interview: 6/16/2015
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00:00:33:00 Born in Flatbush Brooklyn, in an immigrant community. Attended a diverse and
eclectic James Madison High School with many famous graduates.
00:01:21:00 Barry’s Sister is the famous choreographer Deborah Hay.
00:04:44.24 Went to college at Oberlin University. Met his wife Lorrie Goldensohn and
many close friends.
00:7:52.00 Rob and Peggy Boyers found out that Barry could be hired at Skidmore College
because Hampshire does not have tenure.
00:8:31.20 Barry takes us through a day at Skidmore as a Professor. Taught two literature
classes and one workshop a week and saw students in between and after classes.
Discusses senior thesis informal meetings for a potluck dinner.
00:11:17.00 “A perfect professor of poetry.”
00:15:51.15 Barry discusses the students he stays in touch with.
00:19:03.08 Discusses Skidmore’s approach to education.
00:24:57.13 Barry talks about the writing critiques and workshops he led for students.
00:27:22.15 The writing process.
00:27:26:20 “If there’s one thing I know about my friend Barry Goldensohn, it’s that he
dislikes sweet food, sweet music, sweet literature” - Peg Boyers.
00:29:23.22 Rob Boyers and the liveliness of Salmagundi and other faculty members is
what kept Barry at Skidmore. “Saratoga’s a one horse town and you’re the horse.”
00:32:22.17 Barry on what makes a successful marriage. 00:39:50.28 Barry ended up
teaching three to four classes a semester with students who know him and one another
very well.
00:45:44 “I only retired from teaching not from writing.” The way he taught took a lot of time,
so he needed more time for his life.

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                    <text>Interview with Barry Goldensohn by Lena Drinkard, Skidmore College Retiree Oral
History Project, Saratoga Springs, New York, April 1, 2017.
Lena Drinkard: This is Lena Drinkard, interviewing for Skidmore Retiree Memory Project. I am
with Barry Goldensohn in New York City and it is April 1st, 2017. Barry, I’d like to start off my
giving you a chance to introduce yourself and talk about where and when you were born.
Barry Goldensohn: I was born in Brooklyn, in an area that used to be called something like
Flatbush, and now is probably called something else. Went to grade school and high school in an
overheated, immigrant-family community—extended community. Pretty varied, my closest
friends in high school were a mixture of Italian, German, Greek and Jewish. The—My high
school was just a neighborhood high school but its graduates are Ruth Bader Ginsburg, my sister
who’s a very famous choreographer Deborah Hay, and Chuck Schumer, Norm Coleman (used to
be governor of Michigan or Minnesota, something like that), five nobel prize winners—Ruth
Bader Ginsburg did I mention her? And… full of second and first generation immigrant families
where there was a lot of pressure to succeed on the part of the kids.
My family came from, my mother’s family came from Odessa, and my grandfather was
an officer in the (...) army. They left Odessa after the great purge, the great pregome, that drove
all the jews out of Odessa in 1905, after the potential episode. And, it was a family that followed
the pattern of Odesza families. There was one gifted child in the family, that was my mother, so
the family all sacrificed and sacrificed so she could have her ballet lessons. She studied with a
student of Magnitsky who would drive up to the mental hospital that Magnitsky was at at the
Hudson and bring him down to teach classes. Which was spectacularly for my mother because he
really took a shrine to her, regarded her as very special, sent her off to work at an LA company in
New York. Then, she got rheumatic fever, which damaged her heart so she taught ballet for the
rest of her life. But my sister had no choice. Choice of a career. Nor did my daughter. My mother
started on my daughter right away, working on her flexibility. As an infant, Mind you. [Laughs]
But my sister stayed with it my daughter didn’t. I got brought on and put into ballet classes when
I was a kid because it was cheaper than getting a babysitter. It took for my sister but it didn’t take
for me. I left at thirteen. Being dragged to the studio, I had no ability whatsoever. But again, this
was James Madison high school. And then in my junior year I took a national test where the Ford
foundation early admission scholarship and I wound up at Oberlin. I wanted to go to Columbia
but they had no dorm room’s for students for the first couple of years and it would have been
three hours a day commuting from Brooklyn. And Yale had pulled out of it at that point. And I
was forbidden to to go University of Chicago by a father of one of my close friends who
persuaded my parents that the school had been ruined by John Maynard Hutchins. Remember
him? He turned it into a very progressive, wonderful school, but I wound up at Oberlin in the
process of elimination. Met my wife and got married there and met my closest, my oldest
friends.

�LD: Did you start studying poetry at Oberlin?
BG: In High School. And had a very good, wonderful teacher. Very inspiring and sophisticated.
LD: So how did you end up at Skidmore?
BG: I was the Dean of Humanities and Arts at Hampshire College before I was at Skidmore and
decided that I was writing too little and was persuaded by a psychiatrist friend, that if I wanted
more time at writing I should quit my dean’s job which was too engrossing. So I applied to
Skidmore and got a job almost by accident as it turned out. The committee chose me but then it
went up to the dean and the president and they said oh we can’t accept him, he’s a dean and he’s
probably got tenure and we can’t hire people with tenure. Bob Boyers was giving some lectures
at Northwestern University and was sitting on a poetry segment and of all things, the teacher was
teaching a bunch of my poems. So Bob walked into the faculty lounge with that teacher, and said
to him as he entered the room, oh we tried to hire him but we couldn’t because he’s got tenure at
Hampshire. And a voice in the back of the room said, “they don’t have tenure at Hampshire.” So
Bob called up Peggy, asked her to confirm that, and if that was in fact the case, tell the dean and
tell the committee and I wound up getting invited for an interview [Laughs] That’s enough
background.
LD: Can you take me through a day at Skidmore as a Professor?
BG: Well, a day, interesting. Just teaching literally two literature classes and one workshop a
week So, and then seeing students in between and after classes. And I wound up often teaching
three or four classes a semester because I had a bunch of students who wanted to do their senior
thesis in writing poetry, poetry writing. So they met as an informal group but as a class. And
we’d meet in the meaning so there wouldn’t be schedule conflicts with their other classes. Often
over a potluck dinner. Then it would go on sometimes into the wee hours at either my house or
one of their apartments. So it was kind of a senior seminar, right? Every semester I taught a
course I loved which was The Introduction to Poetry. I taught it sort of half as a history of
English poetry class and half as a course of methods and different types of methods, different
historical periods. Starting with Chaucer and winding up with contemporary poets, spending a lot
of time with seventeenth century and nineteenth century. I mixed up along the way. And then I
taught seventeenth century poetry. My first lecture in that class was Shakespeare’s greatest plays.
Al of the work of John Milton was written in the seventeenth century. Some of the greatest poets
in language and we’re not going to look at them at all [Laughs] You’ll have to get them in other
courses and I focused on the lyrical poems of the seventeenth century. And then writing
workshops, and other intro fiction classes.

�LD: When I spoke to Professor Goodwin she described you as the “perfect professor of poetry.”
BG: What could she have meant by that?
LD: I’d like to know what you think!
BG: Well, I was actively involved in making it, and reading it, and teaching it as well. So I
brought together a pretty full background in the literature and of course the poets concerned with
making poems and how poems are made. Looking at the students, how poems are made, how
these particular poems are made.
LD: Can you talk about your relationship with the students?
BG: As my wife puts it describing her students at Vassar, “Oh you fall in love with a few
students every year” and I think that’s pretty true. And I like students and in general, I liked
teaching them. I liked expanding their minds, and expanding their knowledge. And I was trying
to teach them to love what I love, and maybe that’s what Susan was talking about. Also, teaching
writing courses at Skidmore, generally I worked with students for 3-4 years and they got to be
my friends. You know, ordinary lit teachers don’t have that experience, working semester after
semester with the same students. You know you’ll take one course with Professor Boyers maybe
the intro to fiction course and another fiction course but that’s about it. Or a victorian lit course,
you’d take a three courses in the course of four years. Anyway, my students worked with me
semester after semester after semester. Because you could repeat workshops and so, it was the
especially nice part of the kind of teaching I’ve done over the years, that you got to know the
students very well.
LD: Can you think of one student in particular that you had that had an impact on you during
your time at Skidmore?
BG: That had an impact on me yeah. Well, Mark Woodward, who stayed around working at
Salmagundi. Mark did a lot of work with both Bob and me, and has stayed writing and writing.
But in this neighborhood there are a couple of students who, anyone you really know and care
about has an impact on you. And I went to a reading earlier, or last weekend, by one of my
Skidmore students who lives in Austin now but, showed me a draft of her book, she said, it
doesn’t have the dedications in the book so I’ll have to send you a regular copy!. Jardeen Lebair,
is a wonderful writer, only student I remember who won both our jury poetry and fiction prize in
the same year. Remarkably talented student. But there are a lot of students I stay in touch with.

�One of my former students, Laura Marshall lives a few blocks up on the west side. Bruce
Baker, who’s a very very gifted student, star of the hockey team and he’s now coaching… he’s
deeply involved in the city since he’s graduated with minority education, education of the
deprived. So he coaches for different hockey teams ad well as teaching. He started off on the
ground floor for Teach of America. He was the recruiter for Teach of America and then he said,
“Why am I recruiting people to do something that I should do myself?” So he wound up teaching
in the city schools, but one because he was male and because he was white, and because he is
movie-star handsome, he became a very popular teacher. So popular, that he decided to have a
semi-pro hockey career while he was teaching, so they’d keep him on a semester a year while the
other semester he’d be playing hockey. He explained to me how, he lives on this block, so we
see him, and of course in his hockey career he’s broken every bone—small—bone in his body.
He’s also a coach for Columbia's informal hockey team, it’s not a varsity sport.
But I don’t know there’s been a lot of students over the course of the years I’ve come to
love and stayed very close too and it’s a significant part of our social life, my relationship with
former former students, not only from here but from Hampshire and Goddard. Now, Goddard in
the mid-sixties when I got there was a magnet school for the daring and the adventurous student.
That resident undergraduate program no longer exists. But my students there were spectacularly
good. A lot of them are pulitzer prize winners and guggenheim winners and you know major
award winners. One of you I’m sure you know of, the playwright David Mamet, and I’ve had
two students while we’ve been here in New York. Naomi Wallace who was a Hampshire student
and Mammoth.
LD: How would you describe Skidmore at the time that you taught, if you describe Goddard as
the school for the, can you fill in the blank for Skidmore?
BG: Skidmore had a much more traditional approach to education, like the schools I went to, like
Oberlin than Hampshire or Goddard. My Hampshire students—I don’t want to slight them either,
two of my senior thesis students went on to win Macarthur Genius awards. Naomi Wallace was
one of them and Peter Cole who has been teaching one semester at Yale and the other semester
living in Jerusalem and running a press for Israeli and Palestinian poets, crossing a lot of
boundaries. But Goddard was more a traditional education in a way for someone who has
devoted his life to advanced, progressive schools. Like the progressive high school we started
early in the sixties, in the Bay Area with a bunch of quaker friends. That was at the very
beginning of a whole rash of progressive high schools that were starting to emerge and people
would come, we’d often have more visitors than students.
LD: What year was this?

�BG: That was ‘62-’65 and I graduated with the first graduating class I wanted to go back to
college teaching. But my first graduating class of students went to Reed, Stanford, Santa-Cruz.
They were on the board of the student-faculty administration group that was defining Santa-Cruz
which is interesting. And other schools within the california system. Interesting group of
students. That school, after the people that started it passed it on to other faculty members, it got
sort of swept up as a southern most adjunct of the haight-ashbury counter-cultures and it was
destroyed basically by that it became a fairly destructive place and only lasted a few years. But it
was good for the students who went there. One of the student went to Oxford with a grant and
got first in PPE, Politics, Philosophy and Economics, that’s degree you get if you want to be
prime-minister. Almost all of the proceeding prime-ministers and most of the subsequent
prime-ministers had that degree first.
LD: It seems like you really knew and understood each student you had—
BG: Oh, I would never say that [laughs]
LD: Do you think the types of students changed at Skidmore from when you first got there to
when you retired?
BG: I’m not sure. I taught for about twenty-two years. There seemed to be always, a leavening of
very committed and very serious students. I taught fairly esoteric courses. Seventeenth century
poetry, poetry writing, and the Intro to Poetry course, that was the longest draw class of the
largest cross-section of students. But by and large, the students who went on to work with me,
were a largely self-selected group, so I find it hard to generalize about the general run of
students. And I heard one of my students saying to someone else, “Oh I would never dare offer
Shitty work to Professor Goldensohn.” With a self-selected crew that knew I expected a lot from
them, they worked hard. So, I don’t know if that’s the whole student body it’s hard to generalize
but they were always enough of those to keep my classes full.
LD: Is it challenging to grade someone else's creative writing?
BG: Oh, I hardly think of grades. The really challenging part is discussing them. And how you
talk it over in the group, in the workshop and individually. What to say, often the harsh things to
say, that will help them see the problems that they are running into. [Laughs] Another overheard
conversation. I was talking to one of my students in my office and three of my students were
right outside my office, having a raucous so I couldn’t help overhearing, conversation about
“You know what he said to me?” “ You know what he said to me?” You know, like throw this
away or that’s terrible! Or start over again! But if you’re going to teach writing seriously, you
have to be candid about what they’re doing. And it’s hard, you try to be rigorous but teaching

�poetry writing, which is the main thing at Skidmore has these contradictory elements. You want
rigorous attention to what you’re doing, but you don’t want to lose as in any art, the sense of play
in getting there. Because a lot of the most creative work comes with playing with it. Play with it
play with i! I told my students. You have to catch your mind at its most expansive and least
predictable moments. Often this is helped by just lying down. You know, your mind often
releases itself more creatively, at the moment before you fall asleep or at the moment you’re
waking up. Or when you’re just lying down. I remember one of my students saying “Oh he
thinks we do our best work on our backs!” [Laughs]
But it’s being open to the mind at play and not working in predictable grooves. And then
showing it to people that will tell you the truth about what you’re experiencing.
LD: How do you experience criticisms?
BG: Well, Peggy Boyers. Just last week, I showed her a draft of a poem. And she said, “Barry,
it’s too sweet!” [Laughs] And I said Peggy, you’re the person I remember saying,” If there's one
thing I know about my friend Barry Goldensohn, It’s that he dislikes sweet food, sweet music,
sweet literature. I think she’s right. And as a matter of fact, I had written the word “sweet” a
number of times and swept them out. She was right, I was giving into the sentimental side of
myself. It had to do with being eighty and losing a lot of your friends. You know? And that
comes with being eighty. It’s in some ways an apologetic… and how do you keep going when
people are dying? People you love are dying? So I took some sweetness out. It didn’t belong in
that poem.
LD: So it sounds like your identity as a writer… well everyone’s identity as a writer changes
throughout their lives, in what specific experiences they are going through, but when you were at
Skidmore as a professor, how did you divide your time between teaching and writing? And
because you were surrounded by Peggy Boyers, and Rob Boyers and all these faculty members
that were passionate about poetry did that inspire you?
BG: It’s what kept me at Skidmore. It was Bob and the liveliness of the Salmagundi world he
created. I used to tease him by saying, Saratoga’s a one horse town and you’re the horse.
[Laughs] But Salmagundi brought conferences together every year, it brought fascinating people
every year, so I got to know and be friends with Susan Sontag (who I had actually known earlier
from my New York City Days) and George Steiner, and all sorts of fascinating people,
intelligent people. I got an offer for both Lorrie and I to teach at University of Florida, just move
down there from Iowa, (oh I left out that I taught at the Iowa Writers Workshop for a couple of
years) and it enabled Lorrie to get a free PHD because she was a faculty wife.
LD: And at the time you were at Skidmore she was at Vassar.

�BG: Well we lived in Saratoga, and I would drop her off Tuesday morning on this train and pick
her up Thursday night. And she would teach all day Tuesday, all day Wednesday, all day
Thursday. As the president of Hampshire said to me, when she found out, “Oh my god that
sounds like the kind of relationship where your marriage is going to last forever.” Because
there’s just enough space between you. And it happens, we have our sixty-first anniversary
coming up,
LD: What’s the secret to a long—?
BG: Hanging in there.
LD: Can you elaborate?
BG: Becoming one another’s best friend. My wife says, “learning to understand the things that
are difficult about the person you’re with,” which is profounder than “hanging in there.”
LD: And she writes poems as well…
BG: Yes, she’s my first reader always.
LD: What were some of the things you guys did in Saratoga at the time? Because as you said, it’s
a one horse…
BG: Hanging out with Bob and Peg and the other writers. One of my former students from
Goddard, Catherine Davis, I recruited her for teaching poetry at Skidmore and we hung out a lot.
And, she called me up and told me I was offered a job at University of Washington for half the
work and twice the pay, what should I do? And I said, if I ever heard of a no brainer in my life..
LD: Was there anything about Skidmore that you disliked during your time there? Or what was
challenging?
BG: Well, it’s hard to say. I’m not a good hater. Let me tell you one of the things I liked a lot.
The English Department was very congenial, there was not a divided part department. As a Dean
at Hampshire, none of my senior faculty were on speaking terms with one another. That happens
in schools and departments. I was the Dean of Humanities and Arts. I mean that’s ridiculous!.
Lorrie’s Vassar department was which she called a “dysfunctional family.” We saw one of her
colleagues recently and I said, “Oh how is so and so?” and she says, “Urg.. She’s still
teaching…” [Laughs] “I mean this is a woman in her late seventies I’m speaking to, still carrying

�over the animosity from her teaching years, and it deeply divided… that’s never been the case in
my years at Skidmore.
The only experience I had like that was when I was at Iowa. The Writing Workshop was
loosely related to the English Department. And the English Department had a wonderful guy..
was what the rest of the school called “happy valley” because he was just great at human
relationships. He then moved to take over the English Department at Suny Albany, I think his
name was John Gerber, and when i took over the Hampshire job, I brought him down to Albany
and asked him how did you do it? How did you create such a peaceful environment and unified
community? And he said, it wasn’t me, it was the years. It was in the sixties and seventies when
everything was expanding and I never had to get rid of anyone for budgetary reasons and all I
could do was hire people, and set things up. It was the time, but that underlies his genuine
openness to people that made that experience at Iowa so wonderful. What he had to do at Albay
was very difficult which was cut down the undergraduate programs because Albany had no right
offering a doctorate.
LD: What do you think made the English department at Skidmore such a unit at that time?
BG: I don’t know, I asked Bob Boyers at the time if it was always like that and he said during the
Vietnam war, political divides really split up the department but then they got back together or at
least by the time I got there it seemed like a congenial group of people.
LD: And then did you watch, sort of, new faculty members come in throughout the years and it
shifter?
BG: Yeah. One of them, Susannah MIntz, who is chair is getting married so I offered her (.....)
LD: And those sort of soirees you mentioned, where you would sit with students and have a
seminar at houses? Did that happen the entire time because—
BG: Yes, pretty much. After a year, the pattern became that I would have a bunch of students.
Say six- ten independent students wanting to work on poetry as their senior projects and I
realized I would be dead meeting with them every week as a service session and that they had a
lot to learn from one another, so they would sign up for an independent study but we met as a
group. The faculty thought I was crazy for teaching three, four classes. But that was fun. It was
students who knew me well, and one another well, which means they could speak very
cANDIDLY TO one another. I remember students saying once in class about a poem, “that’s the
stupidest poem I’ve ever read in my life!” In a thick New York accent and the student who wrote
it said, “Oh you know… I wrote it on my way to class and I really shouldn’t have offered it.
[Laughs] And You know, students could hear one another say things like that, and they didn’t
have to be mandy-pandy with one another. You try to create in your class a series with a respect

�one another, as people who are trying to learn to do something very difficult, to write a poem.
They had to be able to speak to one another and say I think you should change this. And then
those exchanges would be very illuminating.
LD: I’ve wondered if we’ve sort of lost something over the years because the relationship you
describe with your students, *Lorrie walks in * it feels like there are more boundaries
implemented at Skidmore between the Professor’s and the students and each other. It feels like
there are more unspoken rules about you know, a maybe more professional relationship
established today?
BG: Well, I thought my relationship with my students was very professional ​about​ writing
poetry. Uh, a greater, are you talking about a greater area of things you can’t talk about?
LD: Mhm, yeah.
BG: You know, I’ve thought about that a lot.
[Lorrie talks to Barry]
BG: No one taking a course in seventeenth century who has been sexually traumatized should
take a course in Shakespeare’s tragedies or comedies for that matter, or seventeenth century
poetry which is often playful and its respect for women was less accompanied with attitudes
about male and female roles. Very unusual. One of my favorite eighteenth century poets, was
about one of the great boundary breaking woman who was irreverent and a giant figure in her
age, her name was Aphra Bayne. I would blush now to recite her most famous poem.
You know it’s really hard to say. The pre-selection process that I was talking about I
think would have… and also the atmosphere, the free give and take served as a kind of barrier
for people whose vulnerabilities would now allow them to do that. Because they were open. It
was an open secret, so to speak. Very much self-selected. Just as it is an open secret that terrible
things happen in Hamlet and Othello and Macbeth. You can’t taming of the shrew for the
instance, is a brilliant comic fantasia on sex roles or gender roles. And the women keep their
power. The shrew says you “marry me you marry my tongue.”
LD: Okay, well we’re reaching the end of the interview. I’m wondering if there's anything we
didn’t get to that you’d like to talk about or share. Maybe a story or some piece of information
that you’d like to end with.
BG: No, I’d just like to say I really liked teaching at Skidmore. But I put a lot of work into
dealing with student papers and was eager to retire at sixty-five to have more time of my own for
my own writing. I’ve written three books since then. Lorrie’s written three ever since she’s

�retired. We’re… as much as I like teaching, I only retired from teaching ​not ​from writing.
Because the way I taught took a lot of time, and I wanted more time for myself.
LD: That’s a great place to end .Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me today. I
really appreciate it!
BG: I enjoyed it!

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                    <text>Interviewee: Ken Hapeman
Years at Skidmore: 1981-2005
Location of Interview: Scribner Library, Skidmore College
Date of Interview: April 5, 2017

00:00:1:09 Born in Hudson New York, 1944. Grew up in Hudson and went to Hudson High School.
Father and grandfather were both from there.

00:00:1:25.00 Upon graduating high school went to RPI College. Brought an artifact from college- a
slideroom. Example of how the times have changed. 1962 -no calculators no computers.

00:04:02.00 Graduated from RPI with a degree in psychology. This was unusual, therefore were only
seven people in the department. Then went to work in Albany. Got a job right out of RPI at IBM and
worked there for 7 years. Then worked at state university of NY then moved onto Skidmore.

00:0:08:05.00 Had the opportunity to go to SUNY to be a technical specialist. Was there for 6
months in this position until the boss left and offered him his job. 60 people were working for him for
7 years. This is where he got management experience. In the end he couldn’t handle this working
evirornment so looked at want ads. Skidmore popped up.
00:11:11.00 1981 arrives at Skidmore. As a new employee the college’s endowment was in bad
shape. Skidmore received an annual audit saying you might want to consider bankruptcy. Then the
campus was given as a donation. At this point everything was basically moved from downtown-few
classes maybe still downtown.

00:14:06.00 When coming to Skidmore he was attracted by the thorough interview process. He met
everybody and thought it feels like a family. Very easy to make his feelings known and make
recommendations. “Closeness is what attracted me to the college.”
00:12:46.00 Thinks Palamountain is a wonderful speaker. “Very commanding and inspiring leader
but not sure if he was the best managerial leader.” Extremely likeable which was important to the
college at the time. “In the chaos, he was grounded and the right man for the times.”
00:17:22.00 1962-1981.“Times have changed so much.” Only two computers on campus. One
supporting academic activities- newly installed in 1980. Data sheets were sent out to Springfield,
Mass to be analyzed by consultants. Reports then came back to Skidmore for alumni to look at.

�Hapeman controlled both of these computers.
00:21:19.00 The college was in its infancy. “Task was to take all the stuff and put it into a reasonable
computing environment for the college” There were computers around the size of a washing
machine with 20mg of data – very small amount. At Skidmore there were two small computers and
few people had access to them- everyone else had nothing.
00:24:47.00 – His position was director of computer services . It was the first IT position that the
college had.

00:27:05.00 Hiring people was important- getting support was helpful. Needed to make it so more
students can interact with the computer at the same time. He and others did a thorough investigation
to find the right software- in the end they bought a new computer.

00:31:25.00 Everybody was squeezed in. Staff space was in inadequate offices and conditions but
eventually things changed.

00:33:20.00 in 1983 AMES came to campus- academic information management system. The
administrative system wasn’t perfect but they modified it to fit Skidmore’s needs and hired additional
programmers to help out unify the system.
00:36:15.00 David porter- wonderful man – “felt his humanity when you talked to him” “great punner”
In the faculty unrest he helped unify them.
00:41:09.00 Interacted with students who worked with him – students who ran the computer system
for the high school- amazing kids, used them for lab assistance. Had a “small sampling.”
00:42:29.00 1st half of the 1990s – personal computer started to show up “rocked our boat in many
ways.” Everybody wanted a mac but didn’t have the budget. The faculty and staff just began to have
their own computers in their offices--- first presence of this technology was in offices.
45:37.00 “Technology was booming of course…” the source of all knowledge resided in the
computer center in the 80s and in the 90s that spread to be somewhat of common knowledge. This
was a difficult transition psychologically.

48:53.00 By 1995 everything had changed- online registration - nothing is really done by paper

�anymore. All automated.
52:52.00 Started with a new system. Banner- works well with an institution like Skidmore – but he
doesn’t like banner. It’s successful to be on the same page as other institutions/colleges.

55:47.00 Since leaving Skidmore still converts things from AMES to banner, still has his technical
connections here.

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                    <text>Interview with Ken Hapeman by Max McDermott, Skidmore College Retiree Oral History
Project, Saratoga Springs, New York, April 5th, 2017.
Max McDermott: Hello, this is Max McDermott interviewing for the Skidmore retiree memory
project. I am with Ken Hapemen in a study room. Study room 126 in the Scribner library on a
Wednesday April 5th 2017.
Ken, Hello How are you today?
Ken Hapeman: I’m good how about you?
MM: Now to begin our interview, I’d ask if you could tell us- just to be able to get a bit of
context of where your story began -could you tell us where you were born, a little bit about
that and if you don’t mind, when?
KH: Sure, (cough) no I was born in Hudson, New York which is about 30 miles south of Albany in
1944. So I’m 72 years old right now. I grew up in Hudson, um I went to Hudson high school and
uh my parents had lived there. My father at least had lived there his whole life so we had deep
roots in Hudson. I believe his father had lived there as well. Upon graduating high school, I went
to RPI to college. And, actually, brought an artifact with me today maybe this is the time to
show it. How things have changed. Of course, this won’t show on the interview but I brought a
sliderule. Because as a freshman in engineering at RPI we had to all purchase a sliderule. And
we look at the high tech equipment today- the equipment I’m sitting here talking to you with
which is made available to you. We had to buy these things. They weren’t that expensive. I
think it was 50 or 60 dollars but this was as close as you could come to something that would
do a lot of complex math. And these things, you could do a lot with these things. You could
multiply, divide - you know logarithmic kind of computations and so this thing which I bought
for say 50 dollars back in 1962. I haven’t used it in a long, long time. It sits in my room I pull it
up just to bring it up as an example as how the times have changed.
MM: Wow, looking at this um I’m seeing I mean I am a complete layman in terms of anything
mathematical, anything to do with calculations. I’m seeing a ruler. I see a piece in a middle that
slides…
KH: Right, yup, and different…
MM: I can’t even begin to guess how it works.
KH: Well let’s do something really simple. Let’s say you want to multiply 3x2…. It can do a lot of
stuff. You put the one over the 2. So that’s the kind of thing it can do. It does a lot of
computations. (laughs) So this was the tool that all engineering students had to use. There were
no calculators, no computers; this was it. And so, we bought this. I was an engineering student
for a few years. I changed majors eventually and so this has sat unused. I really never used it
beyond a few classes. And now it’s an artifact. (laughs)

�MM: Wow
KH: So that’s me. I got to school at RPI. I graduated from RPI. I went to work in Albany. So I
spent my whole life in the capital district basically.
MM: Ok ok. And you always had an interest in mathematics. Sounds like engineering.
KH: Right I went to RPI as an electrical engineering major. I decided along the way that
engineering was not for me. I actually would have become a math major. I was very interested
in math, but as an engineering major we had to take something called engineering drawing.
Which is essentially what you can do with a CAD program today, but we had to do a long hand
with a big T-square and a giant board which we also had to buy. And because I spent 2 years
taking engineering drawing classes I didn’t take what would have been required to be a math
major at RPI which was two years of German or two years of Russian. (laughs) And so there was
no way to make that up. So, I switched out of engineering and actually graduated from RPI with
a degree in psychology. So, I was unusual, I was about one of seven people in the department
at that point. Um hmm it was unusual anyways. And so, I got a job right out of RIP with IBM in
Albany and worked there for about seven years. Then I went to State University of NY and
worked there for about seven years and then I came to Skidmore.
MM: Wow. Before we move onto Skidmore I just want to briefly ask. Could you sum up- what
did your experience teach you? From IBM from SUNY Albany?
KH: SUNY Central actually
MM: SUNY Central, right
KH: Um right. This is the office that administrates for all the SUNY colleges and all their
campuses.
MM: Right, right
KH: It’s not on a campus; it’s a central hub. It did a number of things- like centralized
application processing at that point and probably still today. If you are going to apply to SUNY
you filled out a common application and that was sent to SUNY central, the staff at SUNY
central, with data entered the common app and send it to the colleges you said you were
interested in. So, we did that service along with, you know, a bunch of other stuff. We ran some
site contracts we had a contract with a national library in Memphis to run something called the
Medline system, which was a very early search and retrieval service for medical information.
And a couple of other things. So, we did that. But anyway, my experiences when I graduated
from RPI, again, computing was in such an early phase that while I was at RPI I had taken one
course in digital computer design and one course in Fortran programming and that was it. That
was my total IT exposure.

�Most employers at that point in ’67, when I actually graduated, were looking for students in
various engineering majors, which I didn’t have, so I agreed to interview anybody who would
talk to any student. I really wanted a job I did not want to go to grad school. So, IBM was one of
those companies and I interviewed with them and a couple of others, got offers, decided to go
with IBM and they immediately sent me off to 16 weeks of training, which really taught me
everything that was the base of my knowledge of computing of IT. It was great. We did
programming at a machine level which meant we were actually writing machine instructions for
the computers at the time, which were IBM system 360s - big refrigerator like boxes - many of
them. And 3 months of that I went back to work for IBM. I was assigned to an IBM customer
site, where I had to help them install systems and that taught me again a great deal more. After
7 years things had changed in the IBM working environment so an opportunity to go to SUNY
came along and I went as sort of a technical specialist. And I had been there maybe three or
four maybe 6 months, I don't know, and my boss the person who had hired me left and
recommended me to take his job. So, suddenly I was in charge of this computing center in SUNY
central without really ample good experience to do it. But I muddled along and I had about 60
people working for me at that point. And I did that for about seven years. So that taught me a
lot about management. I had no management experience. I had a good technical background
but I didn't have the management background. About 1980 or so I started warning my bosses at
SUNY that the National Library of Medicine contract that we were operating was in danger. We
were going to lose it, and the computer center that I ran was built on a structure that depended
on funding from a variety of sources, one of which was the National Library of Medicine and
was a couple hundred thousand dollars. It was a chunk of money, a significant piece so we lost
that contract. And despite the fact that I had been warning my bosses about it, that we had to
restructure the financing of the computer center, they told me in 1980 when that contract went
away that I had to fire 12 people who didn't deserve to be fired. Who were doing good work,
but the money was just not there, so I did my job I fired 12 people. and I immediately started
looking at the want ads. That was too much. I could not remain in that environment. And I
hadn't started looking more than a month when an ad for a position at Skidmore College came
up. I made the jump.
MM: You made the jump
KH: Yeah
MM: Alright, so that's how you came to Skidmore.
KH: mhm
MM: So you arrived at Skidmore this year is 1981
KH:Right, yup

�MM: Ok now I want to know exactly the history of Skidmore from your point of view. Now,
aside from technology, aside from any computer science, just as new employee - I'm wondering
how you saw the college. As I understand that at this time the move from the old campus was
still ongoing. The college had put itself in financial danger from that project and when Leo
[Geoffrion] was talking to me he remembered President Joseph Palamountain announcing
proudly that after an ambitious fundraising campaign the College could boast an endowment of
12 million dollars. Can that be right? I mean today i looked it up. Today we have an endowment
of 330 million could we really have been in a state that far away?
KH: Well actually, I really don't remember the number but I know the general feeling was that
the colleges endowment was grossly inadequate. So, the number’s probably right. It’s certainly
in that ballpark. The college was in bad shape before making the move. They had received an
annual audit. A what was it called… let me see if I can come up with the terminology… there’s
an auditor's term for this… a non…um, uhh gee I'm not going to come up with it.
MM: I’m hoping you're not about to say bankruptcy…
KH: No, no, but you know it’s..what it is, it’s a letter from the auditors that says you don't really
have the structure to be a successful business and you want might consider, you might want to
consider bankruptcy. So it was pretty serious stuff. And the college had a few breaks at this
point. They got this campus as a donation I believe from J Eric Johnson and his family. And by
the time I came here actually the move was really complete. The only thing that remained
downtown were a few students and a few dorms but basically everything was…and I guess
there were a few classes taught downtown... but everything basically was here, most of the
campus was in place and complete.
MM: Ok. Could you tell me about your impression of the school when you first arrived as a
place to live and work?
KH: Yeah its interesting because where I had been at SUNY central; well, let’s go back to IBM. In
IBM I worked in an office in a huge corporation and the layers of bureaucracy above me
appeared endless. You know, I knew the people in my office but I didn't know anybody else.
When I went to SUNY it didn't seem quite so big, but it did seem extremely bureaucratic.
Everything had to go through a process; everything kind of ground to a halt every time you tried
to do something. Nothing was easy to do. So, when I came to Skidmore one of the things that
really attracted me, on the days that I interviewed here, were first of all the thorough interview
process. I met virtually everybody including the President, all of the deans, the department
heads of significance. I met everybody, and I felt, wow, this is a place which will feel to me more
like a family or a unit I can feel close to. In the sense that I’ll have some contact with everybody
from the top down and that was really my biggest impression at the time. It’s a smaller, tighter
unit than what I had been in and that I would work.… If I wanted to do something I could
explain it to my boss who was at the time was the Provost. It was a position that was done

�away with but he was a provost; but essentially, he was the Vice President for Academic Affairs.
And his boss was the president. I was two layers down from the top, so it was very easy to
make my feelings known and get recommendations and put action on it. Not that the
recommendations were always accepted, but many of them were, and I always felt I had a say.
So, that feeling when I came here of closeness was really what attracted me to the College.
MM: Excellent; happy to hear that. I'm wondering for more documentations of landmarks in
Skidmore history. As for President Palamountain whether Skidmore was heading in the right
direction under his presidency. Did you have an opinion on him?
KH: Yeah well, I had some opinions about him. He was a great speaker so he was very
commanding when he stood up in front of a group and talked and so that was inspiring. I would
say he's an inspirational leader I'm not sure if he was the best managerial leader. If you get my
opinion.... He uh spent a lot of time dealing with data and minutia. He was very interested in
data, so well we would get calls to his office because he was working on an old electric
typewriter- metal electric typewriter a data entry machine and had a problem with a word
processing machine. So, you wouldn't think he would be involved with that level of detail but
he was. But I liked the man. He was extremely likable and he was extremely inspirational which
was important to the College at that point.
MM: That’s good, so he kind of kept everyone together as the chaos was going through. It
sounds like it took a lot of effort to move that campus
KH: Right yeah I think he was the right man for the time.
MM: Now I'm gunna move on. Now your first impression of Skidmore as a computer scientist.
where did we stand in 1981. Were we up to date?
KH: Well, you know up to date is a funny way to think of it because the times have changed so
much. You know, as I brought my little slide rule with me from 1962 (when I bought that slide
rule) to 1981, there was a lot of change, but computing and information technology was largely
main frame systems with terminals tied to them. When I came to Skidmore what I found was
there were two computers on campus. and I was going to be in charge of both of those. One
supported academic activities; one supported administrative activities. The one supporting
academic activities had been newly installed in the past year, I would say, so 1980. It was a
Texas Instruments 990 which was a very inappropriate computer for academic activities,
unfortunately. So, the choice I think had been influenced by JR Johnson as head of TI who had
given the college so much land. I don't know exactly how that happened, but at any rate they
had a computer that they had high hopes for - the academic side of the house- and it was not
really doing the job. I would say it was pretty inadequate.
On the other side of things - in the administrative computing arena there was a Sperry Univac
System 3, which was about half the size of this table were sitting at. It was funny-shaped; it

�might have been almost as long as the table but not as deep. So, you know, 5 or 6 ft long by 3 ft
wide. It had sort of a desk built in and it was being run by a consultant so there were no
employees there except a part-time clerk in the business office. There was an IT consultant who
ran it for the college, and they had three or four, maybe five, terminals up in the business office
in Barrett Center and nothing anywhere else, and the rest of administrative computing like the
Alumni Office and Registrar’s Office, all of which have big needs, were relying on external
consultants. The Alumni Office would mail data sheets to Springfield, Massachusetts where
there were data entered by the consultant on their computers in Springfield, Mass. and then
the reports that came out of the computers came back here for the alumni staff to look at. So,
it was pretty slow pretty crude. The Registrar’s Office had a similar kind of arrangement with an
external consultant arena. So, the administrative computer only served Barrett Center and it
only had about 5 or 6 terminals.
The academic computer was located on 3rd floor Palamountain Hall. I just walked by it today to
see what it looks like up there and it actually looks remarkably similar. There are offices in the
area where there were some computer terminals and there’s a closet that has a computer
that’s still sitting there, so things don't look that much different up there. The terminals were
two four, I believe, CRT display terminals and a couple of typewriters hooked up to this machine
that was it. On the wall there were still a couple modems that were used apparently prior to
that purchase to connect over to Dartmouth, which is the way they used to get their service.
So, the College was in its infancy to say the least. But you know to say that things were so
different..., nobody had an iPhone; you know, nobody had a personal computer.Tthere were no
such things; they didn't exist. So, my task was to take all that stuff and try to figure out how to
grow it into a reasonable computing environment for the College.
MM: Ok for the sake of having images. I always loved having images in my head. I'm a very
visual person. When I hear computer, I'm picturing a screen with a keyboard and I type and
letters appear on the screen no.… were talking heavy bags of chips and wires. a lot of things
that would seem pretty incomprehensible to the average person.
KH: Right, yup. The TI 990 was sort of a rack monitor machine that looks like a tall version of
that thing behind you, and it had a disk drive which was I believe 20 meg of disk, which is an
insignificantly small amount, and it was roughly the size of a washing machine.
MM: And uh compared to IBM I'm wondering and SUNY Central, or where else you saw, how do
they compare?
KH: The IBM environment that I left behind at SUNY Central had a huge computer room; it was
probably 300 x 300 ft. And it was huge and it was full of large IBM machines each one of which
was about the size of a refrigerator and there probably were 20 or 30 boxes the size of a
refrigerator that made this up. Some of them were tape drives. They had huge tape drives;
some were big disk drives that look like washing machines again and some were the computer
itself. The machines back then were huge and they provided time sharing services only. That

�was it, if you had a computer terminal hooked to one of these computers with a video display.
That’s was the best you were going to get. A lot of people did what was called batch
submission. They didn't have a computer terminal if they wanted to do something; they had a
program that would do it for them. They would write data that were instructions on a key
punch sheet and would give it to a couple of girls in the department I was working at at that
point, which was the Department of Motor Vehicles. That’s where IBM had assigned me. They
had two women who were full-time key punch operators. All they did was take the sheets from
programmers and others and type that stuff up on punch cards which would get fed into the
computer through a card reader. So, that environment would also be crude by today’s
standards. Very extremely. But it was huge. But with Skidmore the difference was it was tiny.
You know it was (laughs) two small computers, um virtually you know there was no key punch
operators there was no card reader there was none of that. Few people had access to the
computers and everyone else had nothing.
MM: So, I’m happy to hear you say when you arrived at Skidmore on the personal side it did
feel very welcoming. It did feel very friendly so that’s nice but as for the computer science side
you said, well I have a lot of work to do. So, you were head of what is today known as the IT
Department and was then known as Computer Services.
KH: Right. It was known as Computer Services when I was hired. The position I was hired into
was called Director of Computer Services. And, it was new in the sense it was the first IT
position that the College had. The academic computer had been operated by two part-time
faculty members who probably got a little course relief for doing the work they did. I'm not sure
that was it or if they were still teaching too.
MM: I’ll interrupt you here. Leo mentioned the name Margeret Riper is that…
KH: Guider it was Guider. She was a math professor and the other professor who spent quite a
bit of time on the equipment was someone named Robert Jones who may still be here in the
Economics Department. He was here last I knew.
MM: Ok, ok ok; and just before moving on Leo also… I haven't confirmed with you what Leo
said in the basement of Barrett there was a Burrows B800.
KH: No, it was a Univak system, 3 system 80, that was the administrative computer. That was
the one being run by consultants. There were two full-time people there from the consultant.
Really one full-time person who came and went a lot, was there quite a bit in the basement of
Barrett. Thats how we started. When I was hired it was just me that was it. I was the first
person and I shortly thereafter hired Leo [Geoffrion], who mostly worked with the academic
computing side of the house, and another person Sam McGaughey who worked on the
administrative side.

�MM: Alright excellent that was what my next question was going to be. So what were the first
actions you took as head of Computer Services and would you be making those hires? What
else comes to mind of the first steps …
KH: The hires were important. I realized very quickly that one person wasn't going to be able to
do the job, so I worked to hire those guys which helped a great deal. Another thing was looking
for where the weaknesses were in the current system and trying to figure out a preliminary
plan for moving forward more effectively. Even before hiring the staff, I knew first of all with
the academic computer that we needed to have more terminals hooked to it, so that more
students could interact with it at the same time. It was four terminals in the first year (I was
hiring Leo at the same time), so I don't exactly know the sequence or anything but within a year
we had that four up to 12 ,which was helpful. The computer wasn't particularly good for the
jobs it was asked to do or could do, but at least people could get at it. That was the best we
could do as sort of a first wave and we did do that.
On the administrative side, I didn't like the whole plan cause what they were doing was they
had spent probably a couple of years by the time I got there developing software for the
Business Office, the accounting software. Written it from scratch and their plan was to once
they finished that to move on and go to the Registrar’s Office and write a registration system
from scratch for the Registrar’s Office then move to the…. The experience I had in software
development at that point told me that that was going to take them 20 years. You know it was
just not going to get done, and perfectly adequate software was available for purchase and so
right away I decided I was going to press for elimination of the contract for the consultants.
Scrapping the work they had done which was going to be a hard sell because there were a
couple proponents in the Business Office that believed in it. And buying a set of packaged
software that would serve the entire administrative college environment. That was a struggle
that took a lot of time for the first couple of years. I did convince my boss that continuing on
the way you were going was not good. He put together… he had me put together a committee
of people to go out and look at software and make a recommendation, and we spent a year
maybe traveling around to different colleges talking to people who had package software
installed already and doing those investigations. We did a thorough investigation and we
terminated the agreement with the consultant, bought a new computer, put system on it, and
moved forward from there.
MM: Wow sounds like some bold moves. It’s what needed to be done, I guess.
KH: It felt like it did. You know and they were fairly bold, I think.
MM: Ok, well you had the experience now. Now we know a bit more about your projects. I'm
wondering about these first years 1981, 1985, I'm wondering more about what daily life would
look like ,...where was your office.

�KH: I moved around a fair amount. My office was originally on the end of the little corridor I
referred to earlier on the 3d floor Palamountain. Basically, if you took the center steps of
Palamountain where you come in the front door facing west, I mean north, I mean you go up
the big stairs turn right and go down into the first corridor that goes to the right. My office was
down that corridor around a corner. I don't know who’s really now. It’s mostly English
Department, I think.
MM: Yeah, that’s right.
KH: And as you go down that corridor you see some very funny shallow offices.... Those are the
area we had our computer terminals in those early years. So, that was that. We were in that
location for a few years. I'm not sure quite how many, for a few. The other area was the
basement of Barrett center. I never had an office down there but once I hired Stan and we
began and transition of system from the consultant to our new software, Stan’s office was
down there and he was actually… (LAUGHS) he was in a totally unacceptable space. But he
didn’t complain. I mean, literally, you go in the basement of Barrett Center; there was an office
there. There was also a step up and a door that led to a totally unfinished basement. That was
his office and you know it was unfinished concrete pipes hanging down all kinds of weird stuff.
MM: Any windows?
KH: But no windows; no windows. It was a total cave. The only window was out in the hall on
the door and that was it.
MM: It makes me wonder, do you feel like the administration respected the work that you did
as a computer scientist? Were you important to them?
KH: I never thought of it as a reflection of our importance; it was a reflection of growing pains
and lack of space. The college campus in general was very crowded everybody was squeezed in.
You know, there were numerous buildings that didn't exist at the time. So, a lot of staff was
squeezed into space that was inadequate, so we kept it. We took it and we lived with it. And
you know as I said what I don't remember is how many years it was but eventually things
changed and we moved along.
MM: So, correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like we have a picture of the early 80s. I wonder if
it’s time on our timeline now to move onto to around 1986 from what I understand is that
when AIMS came to campus?
KH: Actually it was 1983 that AIMS came to campus..
MM: Ok..., AIMS, for those listening, Academic Information Management System. This is the
computing system that you brought to campus. This is what you brought to campus to have
everyone run on.

�LH: To replace the UNIVAC that was running the administrative application. It didn't do direct
academic support at all. It was all administration stuff, but it was it was a very all-encompassing
administration system. It included an alumni development software area, a registrar’s system, a
student affairs, business office, pay roll personnel. I mean it really every major administrative
area to the college had a module that came with AIMS. They weren't all perfect with Skidmore’s
operation. As something general never could be, so we modified it a bit to meet Skidmore’s
needs in certain areas. Some areas needed more modification than others, and we added a
number of modules on our own. It had a nice tool kit that came with it, so along the way I had
hired a couple of additional programmers. I'm not sure I could tell you the years that happened.
In administrative computing we had a couple of extra people who began modifying the system
and enhancing it to meet Skidmore’s needs.
MM: I’m hearing that you gave administrators, department heads they each have their own
computer units?
KH: Well, it was an integrated software system but there were modules- I guess that’s a better
way to put it - AIMS itself was an umbrella that had a dozen modules perhaps. Each module
supported a different administrative area. And they were all consistent in terms of the user
interface. They all looked the same, operated the same way, shared the same set of data. One
of the things that AIMS had that was kind of important back then, that a lot of systems did, was
called people files. You entered data if it was an alumni request to enter somebody’s
information, it went in the people file. The basic demographic information was kept in a
common database and then more sensitive information was attached separately. It was a
unified system which was helpful.
MM: Ok, ok. We’re going to hit another landmark around here. Around July 1987 we got a new
president, President David Porter.
KH: Wonderful man. I love David Porter. He was great. He wasn't the sort of stand-up
inspirational kind of person that Joseph Palamountain was, but he was a wonderful human
person. He was just an average guy, an everyday guy. He was funny. He would sit up in front of
the faculty, he punned -he was a great punner. He was important because there was some
faculty unrest and the kind of thing that was not unusual in an academic environment and he
helped unify the faculty. Made the faculty happier than they were perhaps. I might be
overstating it, but David Porter was a wonderful person. I have great respect for him. He was a
tremendous intellect and a sad loss actually I… we lost him recently and it’s a great shame.
MM: That was one of our first assignments for interviewing class..to practice what a good
interview was. This same project interviewing him …sounds like a great guy.
Moving on let’s wrap up the 1980s. So, at the end of this decade-I mean when we started this
decade-the administration seemed kind of like a mess. You're telling me that the administration
and registrar work was contracted outside companies. Campus wasn't doing a lot of its work on
its own campus.

�KH: No, no - almost none of it.
And again, the times were different you have to keep in mind that by installing AIMS we at least
started to get around that problem and bring everything in house and by the mid 80s we had
accomplished that. We had also Leo and his staff, we had a couple of extra people there by now
too. Realized that the TI990 was never going to do the job for academic support that we
needed on that end of things and most of our sister institutions were using digital VAX
machines. And Leo no doubt talked to you about this, but sometime in the 80’s we managed to
jettison the TI990 and replaced it with a couple of digital VAXes that were much more
appropriate to academic computing. There was software available that had been developed on
other colleges that you could get that did things that our faculty wanted to and students
wanted to do. It was a great move going to those digital VAXes. I thought by that point, by
probably the late 80’s we were well aligned with where we ought to be. We still might have
been behind in sense that we had a lot of catch-up work, but we were going in the right
direction. Also, somewhere along the way we moved. You asked about space. We kept the
space in the basement of Barrett but, at some point, we moved our operation down to the
library walkway area which was rehabbed to hold us. There was a merger with telephone
services somewhere along in there too. The dates are really hazy for me. But I took over
running the telephone system, which was essentially a computer. There was virtually nobody
else who had that experience so we moved in the telephone switch that was down in that
basement area. We moved the computer center in there and my office and most of the other
offices wound up there as well.
MM: Ok, ok
KH: That was probably in the 80’s well it might have been 1990 I'm not sure.
MM: I don’t know if you were in touch with student body. Student culture was like, what the
spirit of campus was, if things were more optimistic than they were?
KH: Well, I don't know. The biggest exposure we had to students was the students who worked
for us, and we always managed to find a good group of students. There weren't huge numbers
interested in technology at that point in time, but there were a few. There were amazing ones,
students who had in their high school run a computer system for the high school, and we
managed to hire them as they came along and use them as a lab assistants and so forth. So, we
had that kind of experience with students, but it was a small sampling. From my perspective, I
think there’s always a certain amount of turmoil on a college campus - as there should be. I
think a college campus without turmoil wouldn't be a college campus. I don't think it was all
that different, but my world was smaller.
MM: Ok. I wish we didn't have to go through things so quickly but we do have 20 minutes left
till we reach our 1-hour mark. So, I'm going to ask about the first half of the 1990s. What were
you working on at this time?

�KH: Well somewhere along the line personal computers started to show up and that really
rocked our boat in many ways. Everybody wanted one. Everybody wanted a Mac or actually
even earlier ones. Because we had established relationship with Digital for our VAX computers,
Digital was going to come out with an early IBM PC clone called the Rainbow and we agreed to
purchase a bunch of those. And it was a serious error. The Rainbow never sold. It was not
successful. And I don't think we purchased more than a dozen or so, but that was not successful
at all. So, we backed away from that. We were sort of stumbling and fumbling with what to do
with this because we didn't have the budget to get everybody a new Apple 2 or whatever the
early technology had been or even a Rainbow. We did what we could. We got some out there;
we tried to adapt and bring in new ones. So that was kind of a turmoil for us, getting from a sort
of time-shared environment with a central computer and bunch of terminals to one where
people had on their desktops personal computers that were a little imitation of what we have
today.
MM: You were talking about faculty and staff having their own computers in their offices?
KH: Right, that was just starting. Students were still probably getting most of their computing
time through labs that we had set up. You went to a lab, you used a computer or a terminal
that connected to one of our VAXes, and that was your academic support, but faculty were
eager to get the micros: Apples, whatever. So I’d say the first presence of that kind of
technology on campus was in various offices. The administrative computer stayed kind of a
time-shared system too, so we weren't doing that in administrative areas.
MM: Ok ok and so first the computer took up a lot of time. What else is going on any updates
on AIMS?
KH: Well actually have to go back to the 80s to go back to AIMS. The company we purchased
AIMS from went out of business, so we committed to continuing with the software and
modifying it to meet our needs, so it really satisfied 80-90% of our needs. We figured we could
keep it up to date; we could modify it and go forward from there. We modified AIMS we kept it
going and in fact it ran through the 80’s, 90’s until 2005, so we got wonderful service out of
AIMS and uh yeah what can I say. (laughs)
MM: Any other the pace doesn't have to be as aggressive. Are there any special incidents or
stories that are coming to mind that you feel like you have to share to give us a good picture of
what this time was like? Anything special?
KH: Hm that’s a good one. um
MM: You don't have to have any stories, but if so they're good to like…
KH: Odd things happened. You know, we…
MM: what odd things?

�KH: We had a…technology was booming of course. And Xerox, I think it was, came out with a
wild photographic printer that was; I'm not sure if it was Xerox but I think it was. It was
supposed to be wonderful, and we managed to get a grant to get one of those. So, we got it
and we opened it up, set it up, and really could not figure how to make any decent use of it. So,
we boxed it up put it away and about 2 years later one of the faculty members of the art
department came over and asked about it. And they were incensed that we had stuck it away
and not used it. We had that kind of stuff that was going on; we were adapting to technology
and learning new things just like everybody else and in some cases. What was interesting was
the source of all knowledge on both computers resided in the computer center in the 80’s, and
then as we got into the 90’s knowledge spread, and so there were people out there in faculty
departments who in a particular narrow area knew more about computers than we did. So, it
was a difficult transition psychologically for us to do that.
MM: I’m curious, what did the arts faculty member want with that computer?
LH: He thought we could have done something with it. And didn't really realize we had it. I think
it was a question of the thing just got lost in the shuffle. He thought it could have been useful.
We couldn’t make anything good out of it but that was the kind of thing that was happening,
cause expertise was popping up in faculty areas and usually in a very narrow disciple. But
nonetheless, it was expertise, and as computers got more and more capable by definition
everybody knew a little bit less about certain areas. So, it was that kind of a conflict. Some of
that was going on in that point in time as well. There was a faculty member who was into Next
computers. They were kind of a black box. A Steve Jobs company that got kicked out of Apple,
and we decided that we didn't think those were in the best interest of the college but there was
a faculty member in the music department who did. There was that kind of conflict that
happened periodically it was about growing pains and direction and a variety of things of that
sort.
MM: We’re at 1995 now, when you arrived Skidmore was in the era of doing everything by
paper. Course registration you know, you get called, every department has its table, you have
an index card to pick which class. You pick them all up hand it to the registrar that was your
schedule admissions; everything all the records for all papers. By 1995 how much of this
changed?
KH: By 1995 it had all changed. I wouldn't say i think they might have still been doing the area
registrations even though the software we have was capable of doing online registration. They
had a variety of reasons for that. They hold onto things for a long time, but virtually everything
else was moving forward with online support. Admission was done greatly in an online
application.
But , you know, the data entered it when it got here and from that point on was pretty much
handled online. The alumni office had all their records online. So, by 1995 everything was really
greatly different than it had been in 1981. Running a lot smoother and much more automated.
Yeah.

�MM: Alright now I'm asking about this particular time 1995 because there is a big change here I
want to ask about. As Leo has informed me, his story goes that the school decided that AIMS as
a system by mid 90’s the administration, as Leo tells me, our old custom system that’s not really
sustainable, We need a standard system that’s more universal. They started talking and decided
to phase out AIMS looking for something else. Leo tells me that you approved that and that was
as the director of the computer science department. Do you have anything to day about that?
KH: No, you know, it wasn't a sudden thing. AIMS, we were supporting AIMS, it was doing the
job but technology was changing as technology does, so AIMS at its heart was a time-shared
system where terminals provided access to a central computer. To change that so that it fully
integrated desktop technology, desktop computers, would have been definitely a major
rewrite, and we weren't doing that. What we were doing was supporting it if the registrar
needed to be able to have a report of students that was not a standard report, we created one
for them. If an office needed to be able to do a process differently this year from the way they
did it last year, we would make that change. But the change would always be within the
limitations of the technology. Which meant there was time-share with the terminal access.
When people started saying I want to put my MAC on my desk, and I want to have it do this and
integrate with the system, that was another ball game. It was a really big technology ball game.
So, we could see the handwriting was on the wall…you clearly had to...we could keep AIMS
doing things that people needed, but in a way that was very old fashioned. So, I agreed that it
needed to be done. And we all did what Skidmore does best, form a group, went out and did a
lot of time looking at alternatives. Spent quite a bit of time looking at ways to go. At that point
in time, we decided to become… affiliate with Oracle on a pilot project, which again was in
hindsight a mistake, but Oracle up to Larry Ellison was committed to education as a
marketplace and we would on the ground floor helping the software develop. So, we did that;
we jumped in and that was actually…the seeds of that may have begun in 1995 but the actual
conversion from AIMS to oracle occurred in 2005.
MM: And to continue that particular storyline as for computer system…turns out Oracle didn't
really do the job because people…?
KH: Larry Ellison’s commitment turned out to be not as strong as one would have thought. He
basically said he was committed to education no matter what. He bought People Soft and said
this is our solution. People Soft at the time and he looked at it thought it’s too big it’s
something that’s meant for hugeness … Oracle was, too; I think that’s part of the mistake there.
We need to start from scratch we need to take a look. And the system that the college wound
up purchasing, Banner at that point was one we had looked at numerous times in the past. It
was a system of old. It had been around a long time, but they had a big staff. They set it up to
date they modernized it. There are merits to being in an environment where similar institutions
are using the same piece of software.

�MM: We’re not done yet. I just want to just come to the modern day. We’re still on Banner,
aren’t we?
KH: Banner is what we’re in. I assume we'll be on Banner for a long time. Now we’re committed
to it. Banner is a product that is successful in the marketplace and therefore gets updated. So. I
think the College will use Banner for a long time. It’s not a perfect product by any means, but it
does seem successful, and one thing I've done since leaving Skidmore is worked on a consulting
basis to convert a lot of that old AIMS data into Banner. Especially the student data. So much of
the data going back to 1983, and in fact some that was converted earlier back into the 60s, is
now in Banner.
MM: Have you still been coming to campus?
KH: I come up here. I come up to walk my dog up here a lot. I do some consulting as I said. So, I
come up periodically to meet with the staff in the IT department. I do some software
development, mostly data conversions stuff at this point. I support a couple of systems that I
wrote in the days before I left Skidmore. So yeah, I still have technical connections here and i
still love the place. I still come up here and walk around. Skidmore was very good to me and I
love the place.
MM: Ok, so we’re going to be around modern day, so I'm going be asking about some of the
reflections you have. One thing, what made you decide to retire when you did?
KH: Um one of the things that we had to do in the late 90’s, again we were still supporting AIMS
even thought the idea of moving beyond AIMS was there at that point; that was still 5 years
out. And as we approach the year 2000 there was tremendous pressure about computer
systems failing. A lot of people thought it was going to be a disaster. Many systems only stored
a 2-digit year and once you got to the year 2000… It got an amazing amount of press but there
were issues there and in AIMS in particular there were some Y2K issues, as they were called att
that point. So, my staff and I did a tremendous amount of work in that last year trying to get
AIMS ready for Y2K, and it involved changing programs throughout the system, and while we
were doing that we also had to keep up with the flow of requests for new things. Everybody
always wants something new or different, and one of the things the College wanted was to
develop a new purchasing support system. All this was happening at once. So, it was a
tremendous amount of work through 1999 and into 2000. I felt burned out quite honestly. I
decided i was ready to retire. So, I stepped down and was convinced by my boss to work an
extra 5 years on a part-time basis. Which was very nice for me and I helped get some things
done for the college.
MM: when that time did come to retire, you left the campus a whole college than when you
first found it?
KH: I do believe so

�MM: Alright and you deserve some credit for changing that.
KH: i do (laughs, oh yes
MM: I’m wondering how you changed over those times. Did your relationship change to the
college? Did you remain static the whole time you were here?
KH: No, I had different bosses. My unit got moved around a little bit. I inherited some areas. like
I mentioned - telephone services and those things. So, my experience grew. I learned a lot of
things; I learned to work for different people. When I came I worked for the Provost, who was
the Academic Vice President, so i was connected to the academic side of the house, but I
always had to balance this administrative computing and academic computing things. Initially I
reported to the Academic Dean. Somewhere along the line I was transferred to work for the
business operations, so suddenly then my boss was the Vice President for Business Affairs. I had
great working relationships with both those people. So, working for an academic dean there
was a lot of concern about academic computing issues. Working for the business vice president
there was a lot more concern about administrative issues. So, I watched that kind of shift occur
and adapted to it as I went. I actually enjoyed it; it gave me some different perspective. You
know, an academic institution like any institution has to have a structure to support it to keep it
going. The administrative stuff can be mundane. You have to have a human resources
department; you’ve got to have an accounting department. Those things are mundane, but
without them, they're the structure of the institution, without them you don't have an
institution. On the other hand, the main purpose of an institution is an education so the
academic side of things is very important. So, I got a nice view of that from different working
arrangements with different bosses in different departments.
MM: Nice so, sounds like you definitely had to learn a lot. You look back often to think about
the things you would have done different knowing what you know now?
KH: Well certain things. Might not even have gone with AIMS, given that their company was
going out fairly quickly. I mean the product worked; we can’t complain. It worked from 1982 or
3, when we purchased it, up till 2005. That’s a tremendous lifetime for a software product, but
we would have committed to something that had ongoing support so that’s a decision. I guess I
would say I would do differently in hindsight; I knew what was going on. The other one was
going with Oracle. We definitely shouldn't have done that; that was a mistake. So, those two
big administrative things were different. In terms of academic computing i don't know that i
would have done a lot differently. I mean moving from the TI990 to the digital VAX computers
was a good decision, and it was important. And we did the best we could to deliver the
onslaught of computer interests and I think we did that fairly well. So, my regrets were few I’d
say. I think we did well.

�MM:Alright, sounds like an excellent career I mean when you did step down from head of IT,
did you meet the next head of IT? Did you have any advice?
KH: I did i don't have the feeling he was interested in any advice, but I did meet him and we
chatted occasionally. I would go talk to him at least once a week, and he was very different
from me. His style was very different and his interests and so forth were very different, so i
can’t say I agreed with him but that’s to be expected. Things change when you get a new
leadership.
MM: Advice in general as a computer scientist do you think there’s things the IT department
remembers from your time?
KH: Well, I think the biggest thing in an environment like Skidmore is listening to your
constituents, go out and talk to them, that would be my advice to today’s IT staff. Get as much
input as you can. Meet with people. Set up little groups, perhaps, of people with special
interest and commonality. Meet with them. Stay in touch with thinking at the academic
department level. uhh and in administrative computing I don't think that…it sort of happens by
itself; it’s more of a structured environment. The academic environment can be very
unstructured. Faculty departments can be little fiefdoms in a way, so they can kind of go off on
their own. You really need to keep in touch and bring people together as much as possible.
MM: i just realized, actually, that sounds a little bit familiar. It’s kind of the same you first found
when you came to Skidmore. Think you'd help continue that and do you think it’s still around
today?
KH: It’s a little hard for me to judge, I guess, but i think so. I think the place is hugely different
from the way it was. There’s always certain amount of dissent again, but a college environment
should have that. I think the place is pretty similar.
By the time you're retired you do see some changes, though. The building of the Tang, the
building of Tisch and a lot of other … a lot of student body got more diverse, a lot more
prestigious. It still pretty much feels the same. From my limited perspective it seems very much
the same. A lot of people turnover has been really great, but very few of the people who
represent the old Skidmore to me in terms of leadership aren't around anymore. So, it’s all
different people, some of whom I don't know. But it still feels the same when I come up here.
So, yes, i think it hasn't changed a lot.
MM: We’ve reached the end of our hour. Before we go I’d like to ask is there anything in our
quest to create a good portrait of your career contributions, Skidmore from your eyes, is there
anything we've missed in creating this portrait?
KH: I think we really covered it pretty well. I mean, I think i came to Skidmore at a time of great
change in the technology industry and in Skidmore, so it was an interesting moment in time.
The college needed a lot more computing. Students were expecting it, clamoring for it, and

�computers were changing dramatically. So, I came here at the start of something. It’s one of
those things that always meant a lot to me. I was able to get in on the true ground floor. I was
the first IT, so I participated in hiring. By the time I left here in 2000 I had participated in hiring
everybody who worked for IT at Skidmore, and that would be it I’d say.
I think we covered it very well.
MM: Ken, thank you so much for coming in today.

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Phoebe Radcliffe
Eli Ruben
Natasha Thaler
Rebecca Walker
Tracey Wingate
with
Jordana Dym

MDOCS

JOHN B. MOORE DOCUMENTARY STUDIES COLLABORATIVE

DESIGN BY MICHAEL ZHOU

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Rev.	&#13;  Paul	&#13;  Hydon,	&#13;  Vice-­‐President	&#13;  
Minnie	&#13;  Borneman,	&#13;  Secretary	&#13;  	&#13;  
Fred	&#13;  W .	&#13;  Dunson,	&#13;  Treasurer	&#13;  
Claude	&#13;  van	&#13;  Wie,	&#13;  President	&#13;  (1959-­‐1960)	&#13;  
Robert	&#13;  Gass,	&#13;  President	&#13;  (1976-­‐1988)	&#13;  
Executive	&#13;  Directors	&#13;  
Marjorie	&#13;  Vokes	&#13;  (1961-­‐1970)	&#13;  
Sylvia	&#13;  Newcomb	&#13;  (1984-­‐2002)	&#13;  
Bill	&#13;  Davis	&#13;  (2002-­‐2010)	&#13;  
Lois	&#13;  Celeste	&#13;  (2010-­‐present)	&#13;  

In	&#13;  its	&#13;  first	&#13;  60	&#13;  years,	&#13;  
the	&#13;  members	&#13;  and	&#13;  
staff	&#13;  of	&#13;  the	&#13;  Adult	&#13;  &amp;	&#13;  
Senior	&#13;  Center	&#13;  of	&#13;  
Saratoga	&#13;  collected	&#13;  
photographs,	&#13;  news-­‐
paper	&#13;  articles,	&#13;  
minutes,	&#13;  news-­‐
letters	&#13;  and	&#13;  mementos	&#13;  of	&#13;  the	&#13;  Center’s	&#13;  rich	&#13;  life.	&#13;  Early	&#13;  
member	&#13;  Sabra	&#13;  J.	&#13;  Hook,	&#13;  perhaps	&#13;  the	&#13;  archive’s	&#13;  
original	&#13;  organizer,	&#13;  stamped	&#13;  several	&#13;  items.	&#13;  

Sixty
Years
Young

Stories	&#13;  from	&#13;  the	&#13;  archives	&#13;  
	&#13;  	&#13;  	&#13;  
From	&#13;  Golden	&#13;  Age	&#13;  Club	&#13;  to	&#13;  	&#13;  
Adult	&#13;  &amp;	&#13;  Senior	&#13;  Center	&#13;  of	&#13;  Saratoga	&#13;  
	&#13;  

1955-­‐2015	&#13;  

At	&#13;  the	&#13;  request	&#13;  of	&#13;  Executive	&#13;  Director	&#13;  Lois	&#13;  Celeste,	&#13;  
Skidmore	&#13;  College’s	&#13;  MDOCS	&#13;  program	&#13;  supported	&#13;  five	&#13;  
students	&#13;  –	&#13;  Phoebe	&#13;  Radcliffe,	&#13;  Eli	&#13;  Ruben,	&#13;  Natasha	&#13;  
Thaler,	&#13;  Rebecca	&#13;  W alker	&#13;  and	&#13;  Tracey	&#13;  Wingate	&#13;  –	&#13;  as	&#13;  
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of	&#13;  the	&#13;  Center	&#13;  and	&#13;  to	&#13;  create	&#13;  materials	&#13;  for	&#13;  this	&#13;  exhibit	&#13;  
and	&#13;  a	&#13;  short	&#13;  film	&#13;  on	&#13;  the	&#13;  Center’s	&#13;  past,	&#13;  present	&#13;  and	&#13;  
future.	&#13;  	&#13;  Faculty	&#13;  Crystal	&#13;  Dea	&#13;  Moore	&#13;  (Social	&#13;  W ork)	&#13;  
and	&#13;  Jordana	&#13;  Dym	&#13;  (MDOCS/	&#13;  History)	&#13;  advised	&#13;  this	&#13;  
part	&#13;  of	&#13;  the	&#13;  Skidmore-­‐Saratoga	&#13;  Memory	&#13;  Project,	&#13;  
http://ssmp.skidmore.edu	&#13;  	&#13;  	&#13;  	&#13;  
	&#13;  

The	&#13;  Adult	&#13;  &amp;	&#13;  Senior	&#13;  Center	&#13;  of	&#13;  Saratoga	&#13;  
1973	&#13;  

5	&#13;  Williams	&#13;  Street	&#13;  
Saratoga	&#13;  Springs,	&#13;  NY	&#13;  12866	&#13;  

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Timeline	&#13;  
1955	&#13;  

Saratoga	&#13;  Golden	&#13;  Age	&#13;  Club	&#13;  
est.;	&#13;  48	&#13;  charter	&#13;  members	&#13;  

1957	&#13;  

	&#13;  

Senior	&#13;  Center	&#13;  of	&#13;  Saratoga	&#13;  
incorporated	&#13;  

1958	&#13;  	&#13;  	&#13;   162	&#13;  Circular	&#13;  Street	&#13;  bought	&#13;  
1959	&#13;  	&#13;  	&#13;   Meetings	&#13;  begin	&#13;  at	&#13;  Circular	&#13;  
Street	&#13;  
1960	&#13;  

Saratoga	&#13;  Senior	&#13;  Center	&#13;  
officially	&#13;  joins	&#13;  Senior	&#13;  
Centers	&#13;  of	&#13;  America	&#13;  

1975	&#13;  

Saratoga	&#13;  Springs	&#13;  Senior	&#13;  
Services	&#13;  begin	&#13;  

1978	&#13;  

November,	&#13;  new	&#13;  Center	&#13;  
opens,	&#13;  5	&#13;  Williams	&#13;  Street	&#13;  

1979	&#13;  

New	&#13;  Senior	&#13;  Center	&#13;  
dedicated	&#13;  (April	&#13;  1)	&#13;  

1993	&#13;  

Kilmer	&#13;  Pavilion,	&#13;  funded	&#13;  by	&#13;  
bequest	&#13;  by	&#13;  Margaret	&#13;  
Kilmer	&#13;  of	&#13;  Greenfield	&#13;  	&#13;  

2012	&#13;  

New	&#13;  entrance	&#13;  	&#13;  
(Price	&#13;  Chopper	&#13;  grant)	&#13;  

	&#13;  
	&#13;  

New	&#13;  carport	&#13;  (Alfred	&#13;  Z.	&#13;  
Solomon	&#13;  Trust	&#13;  grant)	&#13;  

	&#13;  

The mission: to empower seniors to achieve and maintain personal independence and
individual well-being by providing the program structure and support services necessary
for healthy recreation, companionship social involvement, and problem solving.
In the 1940’s, the concept of community centers
designed for seniors --“Golden Age Clubs”-- in
the US. New York State senator Thomas C.
Desmond was a leader in this movement, who
championed the “Age of the aged” and “oldsters”
“ rebelling against idleness, learning new tricks,
&amp; changing our economies.”
In 1955, Saratoga Springs seniors
and community organizations met at
the Saratoga Springs Public Library,
Veteran’s Home and other locations to
plan. Mrs. Minnie Borneman sent a
letter to senior citizens inviting them to
meet on March 28, 1955 in the office
of Saratoga County Health Association to
explore forming a Saratoga Golden Age Club.
By July, the Club was airborne with 48 charter
members, including co-pilots Edna Hogan &amp;
Minnie herself. The Club set out to serve seniors
60 years (soon 50) and older because (as she
wrote) “we oldsters have a job to do. And do you
know, we can be very potent in our community
and in our country – for good—if we learn how
to work together to achieve that goal.”

In 1958, the Senior Center, Inc. incorporated to be
able to purchase a home, 162 Circular St. and laid
down a mission: ”promote the best interests of the
seniors” of Saratoga Springs &amp; Saratoga County.
By 1964, its fifth anniversary, the Center was open
5 days a week, 10am - 4pm, offering a “variety of
programs… [so] each person is able to find
some activity of interest.” The list included
ceramics, painting, chair-caning, rughooking, card playing, billiards, singing and
sewing. plus events from hobby and flower
shows to dinners, picnics, field trips &amp;
weekly film screenings. Today many (not
all) activities continue, with Tai Chi, dance,
and other mental &amp; physical activities.
But they do so in a new home. By 1969, with the
initial mortgage paid off, and the center – serving
around three dozen of its 300 members a day under
the leadership of Executive Director Marjorie
Vokes, sought a new home. Robert Gass, a lifelong Saratogian and Center Board President, spearheaded funding and building a new Senior Center at
5 Williams Street. Today, the Center supports
many activities and over 1200 members.

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                    <text>flnt president of the club, 1econd from left, was the ln1talllng officer,
who inducted the following, proceeding, left to right, Mn. Edna
Hogan, president; Dominick J. Lambert, vlcepresident; Mn. Lam·
bert, secretary, and Mn. Anne Dicklon, treuurer.

GOLDEN AGE CLUB INSTALLS-Officer1 of the Golden Age Club
were Installed at a dinner meeting Wednesday night at the Presby·
terian Church. Everett V. Stonequlst, left, of the Skidmore faculty,
was the master of .:eremonies. Norman L. Ritchie, a founder and

Mrs. Edna Hogan Installed
Golden Age Club President

Law Day Reminds Citizens
Of Rights,Dutie_s,Sherman
Say.

Mrs. Edna Hogan was installed Joseph Tarantino, whose father is County Judge Richard J. Shent1an In this connect.i&lt;Jn Hid that th
he
as president or the Golden Age Club a member of the club, and Albert praised the setting aside of May 1 judge and ooherofficers of bhe COIJTI
at a dinner meeting Wednesday in K. Braim, local lawyer. Tarantino at Law Day in a statement Thurs· including the jurors share ~he n
the serviee rooms of the Presby- and Braim· repre.5ented a group of day at a special term of County
ibil't
f
' .
t
tl
1Y
terian Churoh. Norman L. Ritchie, local men who made possible
C,ooi,t.
_
spc_ms o p~ervmg, s reng
first president of the club and one program presented at the dinner.
Not.mg that it was the first enmg, and passmg on to futu11
of its found«s, inducted he~ for her
The special guests congratulated national observance of its kind, generatioos our judicial systen
second term. _Second president of the olub on i.t.saccomplishments and Judge Sherman reminded tnat "the which unconditiooally guarantees
the club esta:bl~
three years ago wished it ~uocess.
pul1)0Se is to~
every citi~'s
equal justice under law." He said
1
was Mrs. M!11" B~eman.
e
. The Rev. Howard R. Foye, Pres- ~warertess 0 ! the r1ghts and pnv- that this was a guarantee of our
Other officers mstaMed were. byterian pastor gave the invoca- deges he enJoys by reasoo of our
.
.
..
vicepresident, Dominick J. Lam- f 10
.
•
system of law and court." He added heritage as Amer1c;m c1Uzens.
end that "it is designed to strengthen
Urging that all citizens .rededicate
bert; secretary, Mrs. Lambert, and :·
Cl
St k
g
ctirs_. ar.a Judi~ s~nV selavnds the nation's dedication to the rule themselves to the task of passing on
treasurer, Mrs. Anne Dickson.
I:!•
ist , ohat rman se 1 .. • meedish
e ons S
ng
arm "L • of law to the foundation of our to , .. Ct zens of t omorrow t h
.
E verett V. ......onequ
.
.
..,e 'ti
of the department of ~iology
at ~ 8
w G'ft
society."
t
heritage of liberty under law, h
Skidmore, was . the master of cere- B
,,,rd se· ! ~ M
~..... t Remi,ndi""' that "freedom under said that to keep this ideal alive ·
.
mgmg. . t rs. nuuer the 1aw is .,,. of the greatest bless- th'lS era of diet.ators, " we n eed t
morues. He was introduced bY Mrs . Hrown Id
f' ....
and M
ooe
Hogan, w~ we!corned the guests. st:t: ie s~tc~::15
:.Sweet a~ ings that ean be bestowed u,pon sa~e passi~te
love of liber
~:~ said t1fit eve1;;;l~:! Low." Both are members of the mankind," Judge Sherman said, d~tcr~
.to d1~~I. re~pectda l
.for
.vme gm nee w
.ar in 8 sma way
~ club
however, "that it is something for ~ . at II m 1
be believes the Golden Age Club 1s
·
.
which we . must
continuously msptred our plOlleer forefathers
the begimiing-of a great movement.
Mrs. Foye played the piano ac- tru 1 ..
found this free nation as an exam
~augh- s gg e.
to liberty loving people ev&lt;
He pointed out that with the i,n. companiments for her Nin:e
erease In the average span of life we ters, Betsy, flute; Peggy, violin, and Cites Critical Period
where.
ere becoming a nation of older Susan, ceHo. Thek numbers were Noting that during this critical --~
pe1'90DS.He said that, while the "Trio Sonata in D minor" by Tele- period of history "when Jaw is
-energy and enthusia/m of youth are mann, and "AJilThrough the Night." flaumed or perverted m some of
important, $0Ciety needs the judgJames Gosch, principal of the the countries of the world," Judge
ment and wisdom CKolder people. Zoller School in Sehe..ectady, pre- Sherman added that "it is particuSpecial guestsincluded Mayor sented a program of magic. Mem- larly appropriate that the people of
end Mrs. Addison Mallery, Miss bers of the audience who assisted Amerioa should proclaim anew their
Kathryn H. Starbuck of the Spa him were William Owen, Joseph dedieatioo to its great principles."
Authority; Mrs. Joseph Lebowich, Christopher, Betsy, Peggy and Susan
"This is the first time," he said,
executive secretary of the Friendly Foye and another member of the "that the nation has set aside a day
Red Door; Mrs. Leland Cooley of club. His program was riimaxed by to honor llhe law and what it has
~.
who assisted in the or- a cooking lesson which resulted meant and can mean to Americans,
,anization of the loeal club; Miss in the appearance of Peterkins, a yet Jaw is the intangibte foree that
oatherine Keogh, dh'ector of guid- Dutch rabbit.
makes freedom and progress posance in the public schools, who rep- The chicken dinner was prepared sible."
resented C~ude VanWi~, superin- by a committee of Pre9by1e1"i~ He explained that law brings
tendent; MISSBeverly Field CKthe women, Mrs. James Krumal, chair· order into the affairs of men, enM-r~ Harry Bennett, Mrs. ab}ing them to lift t:hei,r sights
..
Skidmore facu~y; M_rs.A. V. Des ~;
Forges, executive director (ff. the R~x~ G~f1ths and Mrs. James above mere survival. At the same
.
Sarttoga County Health Assoc18*n: ZeJStng. Grr-lsfrom
Y served.
wne. oontinued, it giws the inlie
dividual citizen security tpat he
o'therwise could not obtain and it
also protects the family ,and other
organized groups. "It is the cement
that holds our society together," he
said.
"The Judges of our court-from
the lowest to the highest are subject to conlrol ,ooly by the law of
lhe land and are accountable only
the1r own consciences and to
!mighty God," he said.

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